Thursday, April 24, 2008

When we had the idea for this blog, we had already been discussing political issues for months. To catch up to the present, previous exchanges have been compiled by month, back to January 2008. The following are exchanges in March 2008:


Kwame just has no honor, in the traditional sense. He just has his exaggerated sense of his own importance. So many in power these days, worldwide, seem to think that only they can save their city or their country, and so they cling to power no matter who calls for their peaceful departure.

- - Ing, March 25, 2008


The negative news about the Mayor is not good for Detroit or Michigan - I think he should have resigned weeks ago. People are discussing the Kwame Kilpatrick scandal out here.

- - Fair, March 25, 2008


It's pretty apparent that the Defense for Kwame is going to be that the text messages were obtained illegally or in some way get them thrown out as evidence, that the prosecution is selective, because the prosecutor's office has never charged anyone with perjury in a civil matter before . . . yes, theoretically it is possible that K. could be legally exonerated. But what about the court of public opinion? Since when is the legal definition of "not guilty" the only thing that defines integrity and morality? Everyone in the public knows that K. lied under oath, whether it holds up in court or not. What about high office public servants being held to a higher standard?

- - Ing, March 25, 2008


Hillary supporters could have assumed similar to what I was assuming. Since she was the only candidate that remained "committed to Michigan" - regardless of bureaucratic rules - she would end up winning the state and what fun it would be to play with the republican primary.

- - Fair, March 19, 2008


I don't know if it was in Gongwer or MIRS but a state rep. (D.) from Alpena said an estimated 100,000 voted in the Republican Primary but were really Democrats or Independents. And of course, these folks, if there were a do-over, would be more likely to vote for Obama. If they supported Hillary why not just have voted for her January 15th?

- - Ing, March 19, 2008


I didn't listen to The Speech. I did read about it, however. I voted absentee in the primary... for Mitt-ney :) I thought the dem. race would be a waste since Hillary was the only major candidate and I thought the primary would just be a set of motions for her campaign. How wrong I was...

- - Fair, March 19, 2008


So did you listen to The Speech?? I did not, but heard plenty of excerpts and commentary after the fact. I am so "in the tank" for Obama that I don't want to listen to or read anything critical of The Speech. After all, I'm white - how can I relate to the Black-church social gospel and commentary on being black in America? If the black commentators - any many white ones - mostly think he did a good, even great, job, that's good enough for me!

I can't remember - when you voted absentee ballot in the January 15 primary - you did vote, right? - did you vote the Democratic or the Republican ballot? Not that it will likely matter, as the report says - the do-over primary is probably quite unlikely at this point.

- - Ing, March 19, 2008


I guess I am following Kwame more on the back burner since there seem to be so many institutional delays in anything happening. Without knowing all the ins and outs, I'd like for him to resign. But he feels that he is indispensable to renewal and progress in Detroit - do you agree with that?

- - Ing, March 18, 2008


I've engaged myself to the extreme re: the Kwame scandal. The Dem. primary is sort of in the back of my mind - for now at least. Sounds like it is good the videos were exposed now - not so much to benefit Hillary, but to make it "old news" before the republicans attack. I actually, in my opinion, think it is good to have Hillary and Obama throw volleys at each other now - friendly fire I guess you could say - because the republicans will only be worse. When the republicans rehash it, hopefully, any material will be viewed as old news in this world of sound bytes and short attention spans.

- - Fair, March 18, 2008


Well, my candidate is in some trouble now with his Pastor's words out there on the "internets" and cable TV. Hopefully, best case scenario, it's good this came out now, instead of right before the Pennsylvania primary or even the general election, if Obama prevails that far. Yeah, I know these videos were actually out a year ago or so, but no one was paying real close attention.

- - Ing, March 18, 2008


I just watched this and he just seems like such a lawyer, such a prosecutor to me. I'm actually impressed with how much detail lawyers keep in their head in order to answer questions extemporaneously - and to make the answers into what they want to answer - yes, I'll give you that.

- - Ing, March 13, 2008


Take a look at www.WXYZ.com and click on the "Mike Cox Raw Interview" (at the right of the page under the video screen) link. Just watched; new to me - seems slippery.

- - Fair, March 13, 2008


I agree that the Clintons - perhaps they did not instigate Ms. Ferraro's remarks - but I definitely think they are playing them to the hilt! I don't know why her supporters think it is so wonderful to be so connivingand Machiavellian - I agree with those who now say she is playing all out only for herself, with no thought for the party, the future or anything. I still think her primary motivation is to one-up the vaunted political skills of her husband - this is still all payback for her "wronged wife" humiliation.I don't know about Cox - in many respects I totally disagree with him - on Kwame - he certainly may have the right idea! Cox is clearly running for 2010 Governor.

- - Ing, March 13, 2008


Forgot to mention - I think Ms. Ferraro looks sort of like Leona Helmsly - that Italian manly-for-a-woman look. Just an observation.

- - Fair, March 13, 2008


Heard about the latest little brouhaha in the campaign? Geraldine Ferraro - VP candidate in 1984 (let's see - you were a toddler then?) saying that Obama is only where he is and lucky to be where he isbecause he's black. When Obama's campaign responded that that was unfortunate as racial, Geraldine accussed Obama of playing the race card! She has resigned as a Clinton fund raiser, but she can't stopspouting off.

- - Ing, March 13, 2008


I know you don't know much about Spitzer - don't know if you're following that at all, but his case is SO ironic. He was caught by massive software programs that do data-mining of ALL wire/online money transfers. The software looks for certain patterns and flags things. He was flagged before anyone knew anything about high-priced hookers. AND - when he was NY AG, he INSISTED NY banks have and use this software!

- - Ing, March 12, 2008


I did see that. I watched a clip of a press conference from Channel 7 on WXYZ.com. We'll just have to wait out the two weeks. Meantime, the NY state gov. resigned after something that broke, what, maybe two/three DAYS ago...

- - Fair, March 12, 2008


Did you see where Ms. Worthy says it will be two more weeks before she can say if there will be charges filed against the Mayor? The comments at the online papers don't think this is a good sign for "justice."

- - Ing, March 12, 2008


I listened to the address live from the WJLB-FM website. I thought it interesting that WJLB broadcast the Mayor's speech - WJLB is the Detroit markets leading hip-hop station, not a news/talk station.I heard the accusations and think they were ridiculous. An article in today's Freep or News hit it right, referencing last year's speech where Kilpatrick said Detroiters need to take responsibility for themselves.He even took what I thought was a swipe at Granholm, mentioning at first how there is no urban agenda in Washington from the current administration (we can't count on Washington), but also how there is alack of urban leadership in Lansing (we can't count on Lansing).

- - Fair, March 12, 2008

Did you hear about Kwame's angry accusations at the Detroit media last night? It made the national TV news in various outlets and NPR.

- - Ing, March 12, 2008


Crist is a good looking man of a certain age, I agree ;->

- - Ing, March 10, 2008


I'm not that familiar with Spitzer, but I would have guessed that bronzed, beach-going FLA gov. before Spitzer. When Crist and Granholm were shown side-by-side during last weeks reports on the delegations, he looked ready to party, she looked TIRED.

- - Fair, March 10, 2008


Democrat - friend of Bill, Hill, etc.

I have always admired him as a modern-day Elliot Ness - can't say I came up with that comparison on my own, either. It is so amazing how modern day - mostly, male - powerful politicians can be done in by their sex drive. The New York Post says the call girl ring in question is "diamond" studded, clients pay like $5,000 per hour and can pay $50,000 to be able to contact a girl directly - they are all high-class girls. Unbelievable.

- - Ing, March 10, 2008


Wow. "You know"... I've been wondering how many other politicians are worried about things like this.

I'm sure other media organizations across the country are FOIA-ing their elected officials publicly owned cell phone text message records and possible even e-mail messages. Mayor Kilpatrick can't be the only one - maybe not older officials not familiar with the "Internets," e-mail, and using text. but I'm sure others have hidden activities.

I haven't had a chance to look; is Spitzer a R or D?

- - Fair, March 10, 2008


I can not believe this!

>>> 3/10/2008 2:16PM >>>
-- New York Times reports Gov. Eliot Spitzer admits involvement in a prostitution ring.

- - Ing, March 10, 2008


I'm not sure when the mail-in primary would take place. I just hope I can vote. Whenever Mark Brewer is on about it, he says, if there is a do-over, only those who voted in the Democratic Primary would be able to vote. Now what is fair about that? We were all told by the media that voting in the Dem Primary was a waste and wouldn't count, so why not try to affect the Republican race? At least T. voted uncommitted in the Democratic Primary so he would be able to vote - but he has said categorically he will not go to a caucus!

I hope Obama can get back on his stride that Clinton knocked him off - he's got to, to prove he can take on the Republican smear machine swift boaters in the general.

- - Ing, March 10, 2008


I'm glad Obama won in WY; I'm sure he'll clean up in Mississippi too. Then the Clinton campaign, I imagine, will come back after Pennsylvania. Something needs to be done about the practical tie! I read that a Michigan re-vote is being considered during May's already scheduled elections. Any news on that?

- - Fair, March 10, 2008


It's okay for you to be non-negative toward Hillary ;-> I will definitely vote for her over McCain. Maybe if Obama isn't her Veep, he can at least give her some speaking lessons! She's not so bad in a smaller setting - her arena voice just sets my teeth on edge.

- - Ing, March 5, 2008


The good news is McCain was with Bush at the White House today - further proving that McCain is no longer a maverick but is instead just Bush: Part III. At least I hope that later becomes the spin.

Not sure, honestly, what to make of this basic 50/50 split of the Dem. race. I know this will drive you crazy but I'm still torn between the two so I have no feelings, yet, either way as long as they don't trash each other to the Republican's advantage. Most everything Hillary has thrown at Obama to date is stuff that McCain would have brought up anyway so I actually think it is good that it is now "yesterday's news."

About the rumored Dem. VP talk - I didn't hear or see a clip where Hillary hinted at that. Funny how some things simply seem to appear from within press circles.

- - Fair, March 5, 2008


I read comments to online newspaper articles all the time. For sure, you would provide much more articulate logic for your point of view than 99% of what I read. Hot head? Not you.

Of course, I was very disappointed in the election results last night, esp. Texas. It sounds as though with their weird primary-caucus combo, that Barak will get more Texas delegates while Hillary gets the popular vote. Black turn-out wasn't high enough, I guess, relative to the very high overall turn-out. Oh, well. I heard that she "hinted" about a ticket with both of them - although, who would have the top spot? I can't see her settling for VP and the idea of him being "subservient" to a white woman seems too old-time stereotypical . . .

- - Ing, March 5, 2008


The headline below makes me mad. I'm considering writing to the Free Press! What do you think? A hot head moment? From the Free Press:

"Mich. Senate considers bill changing parental consent for abortion
LANSING -- Republican lawmakers again are trying to pass a bill critics say would make to too difficult for girls to get an abortion without their parents’ consent..."

I am glad to see Senate Republicans in Michigan's legislature are dealing with the state's most pressing issues. I was not aware of the economy's sudden improvement and the positive movement in the housing market and domestic auto industry. Perhaps women should make decisions for Senate Republicans.

- - Fair, March 4, 2008


My bet is Hillary will win Ohio, Obama, Texas and the other two states (how horrible that I can't think of the "other two"). I do not think she will "suspend" her campaign unless Obama wins both Ohio and Texas and the others. I'm sure John McCain will be the winner from all of this dem. back and forth. I heard over the weekend that a newspaper in Texas, Dallas - maybe?, is endorsing Mike Huckabee.

The Kwame text scandal is the only thing being mentioned out here when Michigan is discussed. He, in my opinion, should resign - for the good of the city. I'm sure many other politicians have done worse, but they didn't get caught. Not that not getting caught makes anything right, but the poor press attention makes it worse - the last thing Detroit and Michigan need right now.

- - Fair, March 3, 2008


I don't think it is going to be a slam-dunk for Obama tomorrow. Unless the polls turn out to be wrong and he does come out significantly on top right away, I probably won't be able to watch the coverage. So, let's see - other topics - I'm sure you heard about the American Mayor's association pulling their convention out of Detroit to move to New Orleans. They SAID it wasn't because of Kwame, but what else could it be? He SAYS he will not resign, but will something happen to change his mind?

I just hit the Freep briefly today and saw that our Supremes declined the city's request to keep the docs confidential. That dep is something else! I just scanned it, but way wilder than any deposition I've ever heard of.

- - Ing, March 3, 2008

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